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photos for hoof trimming of "Abby"
11 yr old Tennessee Walker Quarter Horse mare
1/5 scale thumbnail Right side 1/5 scale thumbnail Front 1/5 scale thumbnail Left side 1/5 scale thumbnail Rear
2008.Aug.23

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2010.Mar.30
Hind feet are gaining concavity, even filling in around the 3 and 9 o'clock positions (finally). Laminar attachment is strong, no white line gap. Looking good. I keep the wall rolled, so there are no more quarters breaking out, and no leverage to weaken the laminae.
Fronts are still flatter, with deeper seat of corn, still suggesting I need to keep removing excess heel.
We are riding out without boots this year, and she is sound and willing to go. Plus, best of all, she has learned to stop when I whoa.

2009.Nov.09
Today I adjusted Cowgirl's size 1 boots to fit Abby's hind feet, and wow! A smooth ride, steady gait, and no protesting. I finally am able to feel a smooth Tennessee walker gait. There is hope!

2009.Nov.06
Removed more heel on the fronts. The deep arch is no longer visible, and I think the coffin bone/sole plane is more parallel to the ground now. I am seeing better primary sole contact with the ground along the quarters now, so I can keep the scooping small and farther back.
Looking again at the hinds, I can't see the same improvement, and the heels seem to be as short as I can get, with the heel bulbs already close to ground level.
I tried putting some old Epic EasyBoots on the hinds today, and while they stayed on, which wasn't very far, I was able to say it made a big difference. Unless it was just her saying "oooh, wierd" and going RightBrain on me, which she did... because she started trotting the way she Should. Big strides, no hesitation, and Off came the boots.
Next I removed the front EasyBoot Bares with gaiters, and put them on the hinds. Before one came off, she did move well.
Later I measured her hooves, and can say they are now smaller without the flares we started with one year ago. Her hind feet are no longer a size 2.

2009.Nov.02
Abby keeps overstepping in the rear, and stepping on the front boots, especially on the left, and espcially when climbing hills. Put boot on, she takes it right off.
If I ride without boots, she acts tender, as if she has thin soles.
I have been trimming the bars flat with the sole, and of course I don't want to remove any healthy sole, but would rather it become a compacted callus.
I have her hind heels as short as I can, but the exagerated scooping of the quarters is the same as last year, so have not made any progress here.
She still has a narrow toe to step on, with no primary ground contact around the sides of the sole.
When I rise to the trot on left lead, she breaks gait. When I rise to the trot on the right lead, she doesn't.
FL
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1/6 scale thumbnail FrontLeft rear
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontLeft rear
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontLeft solar view
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontLeft sole 15* angle
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontLeft 30* angle
FR
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontRight side
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontRight rear
 
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontRight solar view
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontRight sole 15* angle
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontRight 30* angle
HL 1/6 scale thumbnail HindLeft side
1/6 scale thumbnail HindLeft front
1/6 scale thumbnail HindLeft front
1/6 scale thumbnail HindLeft solar view
1/6 scale thumbnail HindLeft sole 15* angle
1/6 scale thumbnail HindLeft 30* angle
HR
1/6 scale thumbnail HindRight side
1/6 scale thumbnail HindRight front
1/6 scale thumbnail HindRight front
1/6 scale thumbnail HindRight solar view
1/6 scale thumbnail HindRight sole 15* angle
1/6 scale thumbnail HindRight 30* angle

2009.Sep.01
If I don't round the walls, attempting to avoid the huge arch or scoop along the sides, she ends up breaking chunks out anyway.
FL
FR
HL 1/6 scale thumbnail HindLeft 30* angle
HR

2009.Sep.01
2009.Jul.28
FL
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontLeft side
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1/6 scale thumbnail FrontLeft rear
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontLeft solar view
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontLeft sole 15* angle
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontLeft 30* angle
FR
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontRight side
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontRight side
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontRight rear
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontRight solar view
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontRight sole 15* angle
1/6 scale thumbnail FrontRight 30* angle
HL 1/6 scale thumbnail HindLeft side
1/6 scale thumbnail HindLeft side
1/6 scale thumbnail HindLeft front
1/6 scale thumbnail HindLeft solar view
1/6 scale thumbnail HindLeft sole 15* angle
1/6 scale thumbnail HindLeft 30* angle
HR
1/6 scale thumbnail HindRight side
 
1/6 scale thumbnail HindRight front
1/6 scale thumbnail HindRight solar view
1/6 scale thumbnail HindRight sole 15* angle
1/6 scale thumbnail HindRight 30* angle

2009.Jul.11 Must have grass!
thumbnail Abby fishing for grass
Photos from "in-between" that are no longer current have been moved to the archive page

2009.Jun.25
Hoof wall length looks nice (especially on FR. I redid FL later), but sole is not in ground contact near the white line. If I roll the wall so it does not lever into a flare, or breakout, then it will be a big quarter scoop. Problem with her hooves, is the tendency for a three-point base. Toe is still pointed, and the heels do not look long enough to shorten.
2009.Feb.05
Moving around very nicely. Cantering well, walking well. Rode to mailbox without hint of lameness. Looking good. Only remaining eyesore is the flat sole and appearance of rotation, as the toe is pointed without concavity, and lacks depth at the hoof wall for protection. The sole angle still says the coffin bone is not ground parallel. (See picture from Aug.31 showing sole plane angle). I think it is improving however, time will heal.

2009.Jan.17
Trimmed bars because it helped Cowgirl.
She is more relaxed, so I was able to get a more complete photo set.
2009.Jan.02
It has been nice to see both horses cantering around in the snow, playing and feeling good. I was able to grab the camera and take some video of them cantering back and forth.
Trim today. Heels are growing faster than the frog and toe. Shorten heels to level of frog. I would still prefer to see the heels come back even with the widest part of the frog, instead of in front of it, but I am not willing to remove frog at this level, so will instead wait for things to grow out. I am also leaving some bar for traction in the snow.
2008.Nov.25
Made it to the mailbox with only one "retreat and reapproach". She even stood quietly at the mailbox without fidgetting. It is a first!
2008.Oct.24
Walked Abby all the way to the mailbox for the first time. (She acted right brain so we worked on building confidence, then ding, she wanted to go out further. I'm very pleased to see her acting more left brain.)
Her feet seem to be getting stronger. I have not been using boots. The new growth is halfway down, perhaps 1/3 down the toe, and looks smoother and different color.
Still nothing breaking out. I am just keeping the walls rounded so to prevent gravel and dirt from forcing the white line apart.
2008.Oct.02
Put easy boots back on, let her out, and she starts cantering around. Gets Cowgirl excited and they both run around. I think her soreness is more in the sole than the outer wall?
Nothing breaking out yet, but I checked if I could reduce the bars toward the apex. Seems like live sole, so I'm leaving it alone.
2008.Sep.26
Focus on inside to outside balance, getting conflicting messages between heels and bulbs and perpendicular lines. Trim bars. I also see crack lines across the sole already. With everything so flat, I did not expect another layer to start showing signs of breaking out so soon.

Speaking of hooves that go splat, and considering the white line turned red, this quote from Equine Soundness probably fits this situation:
In horses who have been shod tight and incorrectly for a long time, the laminar connection between the coffin bone and the hoof capsule may be so compromised, that the attachment is non-existent.
Removing the shoe and giving the hoof flexibility allows the sole to flatten upon weight bearing. The sole is no longer held in a vaulted position by the nailed on shoe. The vaulted sole may have been the only thing that kept the coffinbone in position. Once this "support" is removed, the coffinbone may rotate or sink deeper into the hoof capsule or both. While the coffinbone can resuspend, this too is a matter of time and takes a minimum of 6 months.
[ref]
I don't see any rotation, but if it has sunk any, it will take time to heal.
2008.Sep.24
Trimmed front heels, they are getting longer than the frog level. She walks around fairly close to normal, unless she steps on a rock wrong, then stumbles. On the bright side, I did see both of them playing the other day, spinning and short canters.
2008.Sep.09
And chasing Cowgirl away from the hay piles.

2008.Sep.06
Put new Easy Boot Bares on last night. She is moving around this morning on her own, for the first time in two weeks.

2008.Sep.02
Decided there was only one solution for front feet, so I lowered the heels and removed some frog, which, surprisingly, showed some crumbly white signs toward the apex.
Abby licked, and said that was better. I tried putting Glamour's old boots back on (she liked that yesterday), and got mixed feedback. The heel is getting too short for the original easy boot to fit. The Easy Boot Bares I ordered Last week are expected Friday.

I don't like the red marks along or inside of the white line, that were not there on Aug.23. If the white line turns red it is because the hoof wall has been carrying more weight than the white line (laminar) could handle.[ref] This is either bruising, or a founder warning. Is it from when the shoes were on, and the only weighting was on the hoof wall, (as the sole was mostly not touching the shoe when I removed them) or did this occur after the side quarters got chipped out, and I was waiting for a reply for help? Either way, I will nervously watch this and keep the walls relieved.

2008.Sep.04
Did the same with the hind feet, except half the frog was already peeling or broke off.
Significant observation: when I finished one hind and moved to the other, she stopped trying to take her foot away or kicking. I think I found the key to her feet.
She is walking much better now, although still not very much.
2008.Aug.31
Markups for my response (message# 85101) to Walt's reply (message# 85063)
FL
FR
1/5 scale thumbnail FrontRight side
1/5 scale thumbnail FrontRight markup
1/5 scale thumbnail FrontRight footprint
HL
HR
1/5 scale thumbnail HindRight markup

2008.Aug.31
Wow, look at how the FR changed at the heel. In photo# 1576 (row 6 of Aug.23) there is a crack beginning at the seat of corn. Now it is completely chipped out, leaving a tiny heel buttress. photo# 1673 (row 6 of Aug.31)
She is now very ouchy in front, and walking slowly or as little as possible. I think she is walking on her frog too much, and too quickly. I need opinions here, and feel free to critique my work. I started off taking off as little as possible, to give her transition time to awaken and strengthen the heel and digital cusion, but have since been reacting to breakouts of wall and false sole.

At this point, I think I did everything I can without touching the frog again.
At the rate she is shedding everything, maybe the frog will be next...

These latest developments are throwing doubt into leaving the frog as is, because of the angle of sole plane is so far from horizontal.
Is this a healthy angle of sole plane? or indicate something about the coffin bone location?

Rolled walls out of ground contact, rasped side of flares flatter with wall, increased size of breakover.
That helped get the front toe pillars (in front) wider now.

2008.Aug.18-23
Rolled walls, scooped side quarter wall down to sole level, cleaned up sides of frog, found a bit of thrush way down deep, emphasizing how thick these soles are, and how far down I can safely go.
Heels look like they should be shorter, but frog was and still is so thick! I am afraid I will sore her if I take off too much frog and heel.

Now seeing consistant heel first landings in both front. Yea!

I am still concerned with the depth at 9 o'clock in FR, see photo# 1572 (row 4). There is a hole along the outer wall.

2008.Aug.22
False soles breaking out of front now, resulting in very un-flat bottom. I see her limping, and trim her right away. She is much relieved and walks normal again, and with very obvious heel first landings, now in both front feet!

2008.Aug.18
Abby couldn't wait. She broke out the quarters of Hind Left and made her own jagged scoop.
The false sole that I noted was coming loose 2 days ago, has now broken out, unevenly, of the Hind Right. And is just now cracking out from the Hind Left.
The hoof walls are suddenly long, and need trimming. Even the outside bar came out of the Hind Right, but left an uneven mess for the other pair and one half of bars.

2008.Aug.16
Her soreness has been getting better, so that she walks normally or smoothly, but I see toe walking/landing in the front. Need a larger breakover.
I see some side walls are getting chipped out, so I take a look from the bottom, and see how her hooves are.

Quite a few changes are visible.
Front Left is not balanced (flat), so I take a little off the inside toe, and outside heel. It seems the toes keep changing shape, with dome-like bumps of denser sole appearing, fouling up the flatness of the last trim. I don't want to take any toe off, but it must also be flat with the heels. The large crack near the heel indicates lots of hoof mechanism, but the size is worrisome.
Front Right has a large chip out of the outside wall. I roll the edges of all four a lot more than last time.
Hind Left has the fewest changes. I see some cracks, like false sole will soon be starting to break loose.

Hind Right bothers me. It looks like a large chunk of false sole is breaking loose, but it looks so deep, and goes all the way to expose the outer wall, I ask, is the new level going to be good concavity, or does it question the heel and frog length in a big way? or perhaps a larger problem?

The heels look long, but I have already rasped down the uneven spots of the hard frog to a flat level with the heels, which made a big difference in comfort (the other day).

2008.Aug.12
Abby indicated I should look at the FR again, and I found it had changed since yesterday, and needed rebalancing again.
Also took side pictures I missed yesterday.

2008.Aug.09-11
After removing shoes and first trim.
I was very pleased when she had the first shoe off, and I took the pressure off the hoof wall where it is separating along the white line. She sighed, and licked.
Then after removing the other front shoe, and making her foot comfortable, she Really started licking. There's a significant measure of relief!

Doesn't look too bad for a first trim after shoes. Heels are a bit underrun, the HL has a red spot, and sole is fairly flat, but this should change fairly quickly. I had to file some toe to provide a flat and balanced pillar to match the heels, so concavity is obviously not there for now.
FL
1/5 scale thumbnail FrontLeft solar angle
1/5 scale thumbnail FrontLeft sole 15* angle
1/5 scale thumbnail FrontLeft 45* angle
1/5 scale thumbnail FrontLeft rear angle
FR
1/5 scale thumbnail FrontRight solar angle
1/5 scale thumbnail FrontRight sole 10* angle
1/5 scale thumbnail FrontRight 45* angle
1/5 scale thumbnail FrontRight rear angle
1/5 scale thumbnail FrontRight upper rear angle of heels
HL
1/5 scale thumbnail HindLeft solar angle
1/5 scale thumbnail HindLeft 15* angle
1/5 scale thumbnail HindLeft 45* angle
HR
1/5 scale thumbnail HindRight solar angle
1/5 scale thumbnail HindRight 15* angle
1/5 scale thumbnail HindRight 45* angle

2008.Aug.08
The starting point: shoes and long toes with noticable flaring halfway down the front toes.
Although I didn't get a picture of the soles, I did not see very much contact with the shoe, so is mostly walking on hoof wall.
FL
1/5 scale thumbnail FrontLeft shod side angle
FR
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1/5 scale thumbnail 4 feet from front


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Hoof and Health Links

A good book: Making Natural Hoof Care Work for You, by Pete Ramey
ISBN# 0-9658007-7-6
Pete Ramey is an experienced natural hoof care practitioner, and is one of the first professionals to change his former shoeing practice into natural hoof care.

Postures of Pain - How to tell if your horse's feet hurt

Why Shoeing is a Bad Idea

What a Healthy Hoof looks like

Study done on the hoof patterns of wild horse's feet

Hoof Angles

Hoof Rehabilitation Specialist

Resources for the barefoot horse; case studies and examples of many different feet in the process of being trimmed.

Excerpts from the barefoothorsecare message board:
Message# 42534 - Leverage forces - Adam's graphic of the forces on toe
Message# 63798 - Where to begin vertical cut for toe flare - Walt's graphic for trimming flares

BarefootHorseCare at Yahoo Groups
NaturalHorseTrim at Yahoo Groups

Question: Why are horses sore after getting shoes removed?
Answers: From barefoothorsecare yahoo group, message# 84198, 84210, 84213, 84216

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